Sri Lakshmana Swamy
Q: Swami Muktananda has been my guru for the last 8 years. I lived with him in the ashram for 1 1/2 years. You say that a living guru is essential for moksha. Muktananda passed away 2 1/2 years ago. Should I look for a living guru, or should I carry on following Muktananda's teachings?
LS: A living guru is necessary to realize the Self. A living guru is necessary to give you that Self-realization experience. If the guru gives you that direct experience of the Self, then the guru is no longer necessary. Did he give you that experience?
Q: Some flashes of it.
LS: Flashes? Flashes means...
Q: Some glimpses.
LS: You mean seeing visions?
Q: I had many visions.
LS: That is not the Self, that is the mind. You have had some visions?
Q: Many visions, nothing permanent.
LS: The mind looks at these visions and sees them. Seeing visions, who is the witness? The witness is the mind.
Q: Is the witness the Self seeing through the mind?
LS: Mind is the witness.
Q: So when there is Self alone there is no one to witness?
LS: The Self is without a second. There is no mind. There is nothing outside the Self to be witnessed. The witness is in the mind, but there is no mind in the Self. Mind will not kill the mind. Self has to kill the mind in the final stage. The grace of the Guru is quite essential to kill the mind. In the absence of this grace one cannot kill the mind and realize the Self.
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