Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Q: Can you say that everything, even ignorance and pain, is a pointer to the Ultimate?
M: When you are completely depersonified, you are no more an individual, then whatever is, is an embellishment or a decoration or a puja to the Parabrahman. But so long as you are wrapped up egoistically through some words, no puja can happen.
Q: Knowledge with a capital K, the ultimate knowledge..
M: The Absolute?
Q: Yes, knowingness, I don't know how to call it..
M: But that is no knowingness.. In the Absolute, there is no knowingness. Knowingness is only in the past.
Q: Here we face the difficulty of words.
M: You better not call it knowledge.
Q: Pure consciousness.
M: In that state, there is no knowingness.
Q: But no unconsciousness either. It is not possible.
M: It is unconscious.
Q: From the point of view of the mind.
M: Yes, because you are.. the indication is given with reference to consciousness. That is why you call it 'no consciousness'.
Q: Yes. But in reality, from its own point of view..
M: You are talking of the Absolute. There is no IAMness.
Q: I don't know how to call it.
M: Call it Absolute. The moment you say 'knowledge', the quality comes in.
Q: I don't mean that.
M: You are talking of the nirguna state?
Q: I don't know this Sanskrit term.
M: Guna means I AMness; nirguna means 'No I AMness.'
Q: I AM disappears in the Absolute.
M: Yes, a non-knowing state.
Q: A non-knowing state .. that knows! (laughter)
M: Knowingness appears on the non-knowing state.
Q: Yes, the relative beingness is known, is recorded in the Absolute.
M: Beingness comes in the background of the Absolute. So?
Q: So it is known .. in the Absolute. Beingness is known as an object.
M: If knowingness is not known, who would call it 'knowingness'?
Q: There is nobody to call it anything.
M: That is the reply!
Q: So, have I understood it right this morning: Maharaj advises us to find out who is the witness in deep sleep?
M: All these wordy statements are just to please somebody. Actually there is no substance in all this.
Q: Can you say that everything, even ignorance and pain, is a pointer to the Ultimate?
M: When you are completely depersonified, you are no more an individual, then whatever is, is an embellishment or a decoration or a puja to the Parabrahman. But so long as you are wrapped up egoistically through some words, no puja can happen.
Q: Knowledge with a capital K, the ultimate knowledge..
M: The Absolute?
Q: Yes, knowingness, I don't know how to call it..
M: But that is no knowingness.. In the Absolute, there is no knowingness. Knowingness is only in the past.
Q: Here we face the difficulty of words.
M: You better not call it knowledge.
Q: Pure consciousness.
M: In that state, there is no knowingness.
Q: But no unconsciousness either. It is not possible.
M: It is unconscious.
Q: From the point of view of the mind.
M: Yes, because you are.. the indication is given with reference to consciousness. That is why you call it 'no consciousness'.
Q: Yes. But in reality, from its own point of view..
M: You are talking of the Absolute. There is no IAMness.
Q: I don't know how to call it.
M: Call it Absolute. The moment you say 'knowledge', the quality comes in.
Q: I don't mean that.
M: You are talking of the nirguna state?
Q: I don't know this Sanskrit term.
M: Guna means I AMness; nirguna means 'No I AMness.'
Q: I AM disappears in the Absolute.
M: Yes, a non-knowing state.
Q: A non-knowing state .. that knows! (laughter)
M: Knowingness appears on the non-knowing state.
Q: Yes, the relative beingness is known, is recorded in the Absolute.
M: Beingness comes in the background of the Absolute. So?
Q: So it is known .. in the Absolute. Beingness is known as an object.
M: If knowingness is not known, who would call it 'knowingness'?
Q: There is nobody to call it anything.
M: That is the reply!
Q: So, have I understood it right this morning: Maharaj advises us to find out who is the witness in deep sleep?
M: All these wordy statements are just to please somebody. Actually there is no substance in all this.
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