Sri Ramana Maharshi
D.: Samskaras are said to persist even in a jnani.
M.: Yes. They are bhoga hetu (leading to enjoyment only) and not bandha hetu.
D.: This fact is often abused by fakes who pretend to be sadhus but lead vicious lives. They say it is prarabdha (remnant of past Karma). How shall we mark off the fakes from the genuine sadhus?
M.: The one who has given up the idea of being the doer cannot repeat, “This is my prarabdha”. “The jnanis lead different lives” is said for the benefit of others. The jnanis cannot make use of this in explanation of their lives and conduct.
(After a few minutes, Sri Bhagavan remarked about Mr. Kishorelal’s weak body).
Mr. Kishorelal: I am asthmatic. I have never been strong. Even as a baby I was not fed on my mother’s milk.
M.: Here the mind is strong and the body is weak.
D.: I wanted to practise Raja Yoga. I could not do it because of my physical unfitness. The mind also began to wander with the movement of the body.
M.: If the mind be kept immovable let the body change as much as it likes.
D.: Is it not a handicap to the beginner?
M.: Attempts must be made in spite of handicaps.
D.: Of course. But they will be momentary.
M.: The idea of ‘momentary’ is one among so many other ideas. So long as thoughts persist this idea also will recur. Concentration is our own nature (i.e. BE-ing). There is the effort now: but it ceases
after Self-Realisation.
D.: It is said to be the interval between flights of mind
M.: This too is due to the activity of the mind.
The Devotee submitted that whenever he had thought that he had found something original, he later discovered that he was already forestalled. Sri Bhagavan pointed out that everything remains already in the germinal form and so there can be nothing new.
D.: Samskaras are said to persist even in a jnani.
M.: Yes. They are bhoga hetu (leading to enjoyment only) and not bandha hetu.
D.: This fact is often abused by fakes who pretend to be sadhus but lead vicious lives. They say it is prarabdha (remnant of past Karma). How shall we mark off the fakes from the genuine sadhus?
M.: The one who has given up the idea of being the doer cannot repeat, “This is my prarabdha”. “The jnanis lead different lives” is said for the benefit of others. The jnanis cannot make use of this in explanation of their lives and conduct.
(After a few minutes, Sri Bhagavan remarked about Mr. Kishorelal’s weak body).
Mr. Kishorelal: I am asthmatic. I have never been strong. Even as a baby I was not fed on my mother’s milk.
M.: Here the mind is strong and the body is weak.
D.: I wanted to practise Raja Yoga. I could not do it because of my physical unfitness. The mind also began to wander with the movement of the body.
M.: If the mind be kept immovable let the body change as much as it likes.
D.: Is it not a handicap to the beginner?
M.: Attempts must be made in spite of handicaps.
D.: Of course. But they will be momentary.
M.: The idea of ‘momentary’ is one among so many other ideas. So long as thoughts persist this idea also will recur. Concentration is our own nature (i.e. BE-ing). There is the effort now: but it ceases
after Self-Realisation.
D.: It is said to be the interval between flights of mind
M.: This too is due to the activity of the mind.
The Devotee submitted that whenever he had thought that he had found something original, he later discovered that he was already forestalled. Sri Bhagavan pointed out that everything remains already in the germinal form and so there can be nothing new.
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