Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Q: Can this consciousness exist without forms?
M: This consciousness cannot know itself in the absence of a form, of food body essence. Body is a form. For example, you are detecting some bad smell. There must be something from which the bad smell emanates. So something must be present. Likewise, to have this touch of 'I am ness', something must be there. And what is that something? Body, food essence. This body must be there, which is food essence. Storage of food essence is the body.
[After a long pause] I had high expectations in you, that you would initiate some interesting talks. If nobody talks, I will close the session and send people home.
Q: I have done some homework for questions. I had to jot them down, because when I sit here all my questions vanish. When I go home, the questions come back.
You said one must always remember I AM.
M: Is it necessary that you should remember that you are? Spontaneously you know and remember that you are. That is why you have come here, have you not? Because you are. Stay put there.
Currently, you are not yet that knowledgeable to be able to realize the happiness that goes with that state. You have yet to evolve.
Q: I don't get it.
M: You are not mature enough yet. And really...when you finally understand, you will realize that all this, whatever you have understood, is not the truth.
Q: That is what I realize in my mind.
M: What can the mind understand? Can the mind have any wisdom? Whatever passing show it observes, that is the mind. Whatever is read, whatever is heard, that again flows out - that is the mind. Whatever earlier impressions entered, when they flow out, the flowing out is the mind.
Q: In a way, I don't want to ask questions, because if I put a clever question and I get a clever answer in return, I become more and more clever and it is no use.
M: You ask a clever question and you get a clever reply. Is that what you mean?
Q: This makes me even more clever, and then I start.. it is no use. Therefore, I don't want to ask questions.
M: So you don't want to become clever? The state you want is non-cleverness. Is it something like that?
Q: I may become very clever, but it does not help. It does not make me happy.
M: It is of no use. But who observes it? Who is saying this? Who has made all the observations?
Q: The witness?
M: I would like to know who is that witness and witness of what?
Q: Well, I can say I am the witness..I am not sure.
M: And witness what?
Q: Intelligence, the world, everything, all that is manifested.
M: How long are you going to be at that post of witnessing? How long are you in a witnessing position?
It is the knowingness that is the trouble, the source of all troubles. In the absence of knowingness, of that consciousness, where is the question of misery, pain or pleasure?
Q: Nowhere.
M: Now you know it, you can go home; you've got it.
Q: But I don't feel it, I don't experience it like that. I can explain everything most cleverly, but it still does not work, even for myself.
M: So long as beingness, "I am ness" is there (why worry about) utility or no utility. In the absence of consciousness, there is no question of utility or no utility.
Q: Why utility?
M: Usefulness or no usefulness.
Q: Does it mean losing the consciousness?
M: Did you ever catch hold of consciousness, and made it your own, your property?
Q: No
M: Then keep quiet. It (consciousness) has come spontaneously.
How is it that everyone has gone into silence?
Q: Is it not what he wants? [laughter]
Q: Can this consciousness exist without forms?
M: This consciousness cannot know itself in the absence of a form, of food body essence. Body is a form. For example, you are detecting some bad smell. There must be something from which the bad smell emanates. So something must be present. Likewise, to have this touch of 'I am ness', something must be there. And what is that something? Body, food essence. This body must be there, which is food essence. Storage of food essence is the body.
[After a long pause] I had high expectations in you, that you would initiate some interesting talks. If nobody talks, I will close the session and send people home.
Q: I have done some homework for questions. I had to jot them down, because when I sit here all my questions vanish. When I go home, the questions come back.
You said one must always remember I AM.
M: Is it necessary that you should remember that you are? Spontaneously you know and remember that you are. That is why you have come here, have you not? Because you are. Stay put there.
Currently, you are not yet that knowledgeable to be able to realize the happiness that goes with that state. You have yet to evolve.
Q: I don't get it.
M: You are not mature enough yet. And really...when you finally understand, you will realize that all this, whatever you have understood, is not the truth.
Q: That is what I realize in my mind.
M: What can the mind understand? Can the mind have any wisdom? Whatever passing show it observes, that is the mind. Whatever is read, whatever is heard, that again flows out - that is the mind. Whatever earlier impressions entered, when they flow out, the flowing out is the mind.
Q: In a way, I don't want to ask questions, because if I put a clever question and I get a clever answer in return, I become more and more clever and it is no use.
M: You ask a clever question and you get a clever reply. Is that what you mean?
Q: This makes me even more clever, and then I start.. it is no use. Therefore, I don't want to ask questions.
M: So you don't want to become clever? The state you want is non-cleverness. Is it something like that?
Q: I may become very clever, but it does not help. It does not make me happy.
M: It is of no use. But who observes it? Who is saying this? Who has made all the observations?
Q: The witness?
M: I would like to know who is that witness and witness of what?
Q: Well, I can say I am the witness..I am not sure.
M: And witness what?
Q: Intelligence, the world, everything, all that is manifested.
M: How long are you going to be at that post of witnessing? How long are you in a witnessing position?
It is the knowingness that is the trouble, the source of all troubles. In the absence of knowingness, of that consciousness, where is the question of misery, pain or pleasure?
Q: Nowhere.
M: Now you know it, you can go home; you've got it.
Q: But I don't feel it, I don't experience it like that. I can explain everything most cleverly, but it still does not work, even for myself.
M: So long as beingness, "I am ness" is there (why worry about) utility or no utility. In the absence of consciousness, there is no question of utility or no utility.
Q: Why utility?
M: Usefulness or no usefulness.
Q: Does it mean losing the consciousness?
M: Did you ever catch hold of consciousness, and made it your own, your property?
Q: No
M: Then keep quiet. It (consciousness) has come spontaneously.
How is it that everyone has gone into silence?
Q: Is it not what he wants? [laughter]
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